Bye Bye MSR Blacklite, Hello Titanium Pots

Old pots on the bottom, shiny new ones on top!

   I have been using my MSR Blacklite pot set for quite a few trips over the past decade plus.   I used it for both backcountry and car amping.  Now discontinued, it is a set of two stackable nonstick aluminum pots, a l.5 and a 1.9 liter pot, with a common lit and a stuffsack with nylon on the bottom and mesh on the top and a separate aluminum potholder.  The pots are pretty light and have been very useful to me.  Until recently, when I poured some water into the pots only to find the nonstick coating has started to peel off in flakes into my water I was trying to boil.  I think recently people have awakened to the fact that PTFE/Teflon coatings aren't all that great for you and you find eventually that you will be eating some of the Teflon as pots age, so many pot sets are either plain titanium, or have some kind of non teflon nonstick coating, better for you than the oldschool Teflon coatings.  I can only surmise this is why the MSR Blacklite set has been discontinued.  Other than the nonstick coating, it was a great pot set, for multiple people, and large enough to make meals in, instead of simply just using it for boiling water (if only just boiling water, why get nonstick?).  I used it either with my MSR Simmerlite stove, or on occasion, put it on the corner of the fire in order to warm some water.

  So I needed some new pots.  I like to have different sizes of pots on hand to adjust for what the upcoming trip holds - number of people traveling, type of food being prepared, whether the trip is weight sensitive (backpacking, many portages), or not.  I also prefer a larger pot for melting snow in the case of winter camping.  So i was looking for some Titanium pots, to avoid having nonstick coating.  Titanium isn't really required for strength in pots, but it is good to use for cooking as it leaves no taste, and it also acidic food resistant without a coating, unlike aluminum.

  There seems to only be a few manufacturers of titanium posts - Snow Peak, Evernew and Vargo are the main ones.  For some reason the are all from asia - the first two from Japan, and the Vargo from China.  All of them make a range of pot sizes.  I don't know why someone in North America doesn't make them - Canada is the third highest producer of titanium.  Most have the fold-in handle style instead of a separate pot lifter, and some kind of lid, usually with a flip up loop for pulling the lid off hopefully without burning your fingers.

     I had been looking at the Evernew pots for a long time, but there always seems to be a shortage of them and hard to find. I saw a good deal on the Evernew 0.9 liter ECA252 and bought it.  It is the red version, it has silicone coverings on the pot handle and lid handle colored red in this version to reduce likelihood of burning even more, and sports some very flashy graphics for impressing the bears in the woods, I suppose.  The pot lid is inset into a lip.  It feels extremely light and would be suited to a variety of outdoor pursuits.

     I also wanted a larger one on hand to have for car camping and for winter camping snow melting, etc. and picked up a Snow Peak Cook and Save 1.9 liter pot SCS-011T for a really good deal.  Similar to the Evernew, some models/sizes of Snow Peak are hard to come by at a decent price.  I found an awesome price just north of $40 for this one pot.  A bonus with this pot is it has a plastic lid for saving leftovers in afterwards to act like a storage container.  The lid overhangs the pot, it was necessary to design it that way so that it fit on top of the plastic cover.   The plastic lid is a cool bit of functionality that is good for car camping when there's leftovers.  This pot doesn't have the fancy silicone sleeves over the handle.  I've used it only once so far, car camping and the handle gets slightly hot on a liquid fuel oldschool Coleman stove I have.  And it's true what the say about titanium, things burn very easily.  I had to put it on the lowest possible setting when warming up some already cooked ground beef, combined with Manwich sauce, and it still burned ever so slightly on the sides.

     Both of the pots feature volume marks stamped into the sides so you can pour into freeze dried meals and judge the volume.  The Evernew pot also features a little indentation spout on one side to make it easier to pour, but the Snow peak doesn't so that the plastic lid can seal properly.

    Combining the two pots works out great if I want to have flexibility in boiling water and cooking in pots when weight isn't a priority.  The Evernew just happens to nest perfectly inside the Snow Peak, and gives good cooking capacity for a decent sized group.  And without nonstick coating on the inside, I'll see how long these last me, it should be much longer than the 10 years I got out of my MSR Blacklite.

UPDATE:  I measured the weights of the pots individually without the stuffsacks, and the Snow Peak without the plastic lid.  I was wondering if the silicone grips would make the Evernew pots heavier per volume.

     The Evernew is a little heavier by volume but not by much.  Looking at the two pots closer, the Evernew looks like it might be made out of a lighter gauge material than the Snow Peak.  The Evernew is only 0.33mm thick, the Snow Peak is around 0.5mm.  The Evernew is only able to achieve this by adding bend areas to their design to give it more stiffness, both on the lid which is heavily bent, and the pot itself with the offset edge and a ring on the bottom which also helps hold the pot centered on stoves.  The Evernew is quite a well engineering design, much thought has been put into lowering the weight of it for something as simple as a pot.  However, on the down side, the Evernew is so light I will need to be careful about packing it, making sure I don't rest heavy loads from my backpack on it or push on it while trying to compress items in my pack. I could easily crush the pot with one hand it is that light, almost like a pop can, only marginally stronger.

 

      The Snow Peak on the other hand is a little more sturdier without all of the ridges on the pot or lid and I wouldn't worry quite so much about damaging it, although I could easily do that as well if I tried or threw my pack around.